Info-Atari16 Digest Sun, 26 Jan 92 Volume 92 : Issue 47 Today's Topics: Anti-flamewar proposal. Atarians! Where Are You?! Context-switcher PCDitto (I) and hard disks (2 msgs) PD HPGL->DeskJet converter wanted (2 msgs) Shellp, Gulam, GFA Basic Sozobon C heat-n-serve Spectre users unite! ST and SupraFAXModem ST sound hardware Supra Interface PROBLEM (3 msgs) THE LATEST MEGA STE NAS SPECTRE Weekly Posting of New Stuff Woodlands Design Disk for CAD 3D Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Jan 92 16:49:52 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!jonh.wimsey.b c.ca!jhenders@arizona.edu (John Henders) Subject: Anti-flamewar proposal. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <1992Jan25.215455.14648@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, William Magro writes: > >If you hate posts that respond to flamers, read on. This one is >different. > >"Why my Atari 1040STf Sucks," by Bill Magro >I) GEM/Desktop has a lot of problems > B) I have to bring a window to the front before I can launch a program > from it. In the mac's finder, if I double click on an icon in an > obscured window, the window comes forward and the program runs. In > GEM the window just comes forward. Arghh! This slows me down. As _not_ documented, right clicking on the program to launch, then double clicking with the left butoon solves this problem. Tos 2.06 solves the docking programs on the desktop problem, though, IMO, Gemini does it better. > D) There is no effective and consistent multitasking environment. This > is the 90's. A lot of people ask what the big deal is about multi- > tasking. There isn't one until you use it for a week or so and then > E) Do we really need to reboot to change resolutions? Come on Atari, > you can do better than this. Well, things would probably get done a lot quicker if some genius at Atari hadn't decided that it was more cost effective to have less staff than sell more computers. ;-( While on the surface this idea may have merit, it remains to be seen whether it is effective as a long term business strategy. > >By the way, if you decide to followup on this article, please don't include >the whole thing and respond line-by-line. Can you imagine anything more >agonizing than having to read this again in its entirety? Once was more than enough, thanks. -- John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca Vancouver,BC or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 15:57:27 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!udel!brahms.udel.edu!do n@arizona.edu (Donald R Lloyd) Subject: Atarians! Where Are You?! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan26.023506.11216@nmt.edu> jking@nmt.edu ('Admiral JC') writes: >In article <53381@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: >>a hack job... I would like to point out that the Amiga was not >>developed by Commodore. Who, I forget, but Commodore purchased >>the rights. So chances are it was a hack job by the original >>developers. >> > Actually, interestingly enough.. it was someone working for Atari who >broke contract and took off... > No, it was Amiga Corporation, founded by a bunch of rich doctors who wanted to invest their money. Jay Miner (of Atari 8-bit design fame...) and a number of others got together & started working on it, and were funded by Atari to the tune of a few hundred thousand. Apparently Atari assumed they had some kind of agreement set up to buy out Amiga, Inc. when the machine was done, but it never happened because Commodore got there first. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 18:51:34 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!fauern!unido!mcs un!uknet!edcastle!simonk@arizona.edu (Simon Kinahan) Subject: Context-switcher To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <29446@imag.imag.fr> maraninx@imag.fr (Florence Maraninchi) writes: >> I need something like the equivalent of the Macintosh multifinder for Atari >> ST. Does it exist ? >> Or perhaps someone can find another way of solving my problem : I would like >> to use a Lisp interpreter which does not allow to call an editor. And I >> don't want to quit the interpreter, then to load the editor, etc... for each >> modification of the source. If you wasnt something close to MultiFinder the best thing is probably MultiGEM. I do not know much about the program but it seems fairly competent. Simon Kinahan aka simonk@castle.ed.ac.uk - "Mostly Harmless" ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 07:17:21 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!wuphys!petcher@arizona.edu (Donald N. Petcher) Subject: PCDitto (I) and hard disks To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I recall some discussion about warnings in using PC Ditto (the software version) with a hard disk. Can someone tell me if PC Ditto can be used with a hard disk, and if so, what dangers there are in so doing? I am new to PC Ditto (just purchased it right here through this newsgroup - it is a classic that I wanted for my collection! :-) so any other hints, experiences and warnings would be appreciated. (I know it is sloooooww.) You probably should email me directly as I am sure that this subject is not presently of general interest. Cheers, Donald Petcher petcher@wuphys.wustl.edu ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 10:09:53 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au! comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: PCDitto (I) and hard disks To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan26.071721.27223@wuphys.wustl.edu> petcher@wuphys.UUCP (Donald N. Petcher) writes: > I recall some discussion about warnings in using PC Ditto (the software > version) with a hard disk. Can someone tell me if PC Ditto can be used > with a hard disk, and if so, what dangers there are in so doing? I am > new to PC Ditto (just purchased it right here through this newsgroup - > it is a classic that I wanted for my collection! :-) so any other hints, > experiences and warnings would be appreciated. (I know it is sloooooww.) > You probably should email me directly as I am sure that this subject is > not presently of general interest. > > Cheers, > Donald Petcher > petcher@wuphys.wustl.edu > Well there was a few problems with formating the hard drive with HDX, did not fill all the boot sector data correctly.. There are a few Doc's that I found on GEnie about all this, do you access GEnie..?? if not let me know, there is also a maths patch as well.. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 13:46:13 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!zam103!djukf a11!iff327@arizona.edu (Mueller-Pfeiffer, Stefan) Subject: PD HPGL->DeskJet converter wanted To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi folks, does anybody know a public domain program that reads files in Hewlett Packards HPGL language and outputs them on a ST/STe/TT ? Alternatively, is there PD program converting HPGL files into Postscript ones ( maybe executables i.e. (1) *.ttp _or_ (2) *.ps for a suitable programming of the Postscript Printer) qquit ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 14:18:35 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!zam103!djukfa11! iff327@arizona.edu (Mueller-Pfeiffer, Stefan) Subject: PD HPGL->DeskJet converter wanted To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Sorry, I've forgotten the end ... Thanks in advance Stefan Stefan ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 16:54:56 GMT From: lll-winken!aunro!ersys!arktik@ames.arpa (Ryan Daum) Subject: Shellp, Gulam, GFA Basic To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Greetings. I'm having problems trying to write a chunk of code to access the "shellp" features of Gulam and Mupfel. I want to create a shell to go in my soon-to-be-released "TreeTop" BBS package (hierarchical message base system) that would let you use standard gulam or mupfel commands while adding some of my own and creating a new environment. The problem is, I'm writing this in GFA Basic. (I know, I know, but you find me a language that is interpeted as well as compiled, has a wonderful editor like GFA, and lets you fix mistakes and problems on the fly... Besides, I'm a floppy user) Anyways, I wrote a chunk of code similar to this: Shellp=$4f6 Togu=Lpeek(Shellp) Command$="ls -l"+chr$(0) Return%=C:togu(Varptr(command$)) I tried thousands of combinations, like using "Call togu" instead of C:, passing a null string, executing the contents of "togu+2" instead of togu (which contains a "jmp" command before the address). I'm annoyed. I really want to get the shell and configuration editor done on this thing. It's really beginning to bother me. All I ever get is two bombs, and I have to re-boot every single time because the computer doesn't stay operational for long after this crash. I tried linking in some C code in .O files, but am doing something wrong as well. I even tried putting a "system.ttp" program on the same drive as the bbs and trying to load that with "pexec mode 3"... which bombs, as well. Help me! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- arktik@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca -- Ryan Werner Daum -- "A man leaves his ---------------------------------------------------- impress on life and Opiate on LambdaMOO ... Epicurus on DikuMUD -- outside of that Citadels, TinyMUCKS -- there is nothing." ---------------------------------------------------- Jean-Paul Satre ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 07:24:44 GMT From: ogicse!milton!tymbrimi@uunet.uu.net (Ben Gilbert) Subject: Sozobon C heat-n-serve To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Greetings Atarians, I need some help with the Sozobon C I just got. I have installed it on my 520 w/DS floppy, and it is working well so far (having 2.5 megs helps I think). Anyway, I need some help on accessing functions, like XBIOS and BIOS and that type of stuff. Where can I get more information on using these functions, I really have no documentation about them. Just as an example, I would like to know how to clear the screen (VT52 maybe???) and plot a point or draw a line... Please respond by e-mail, I imagine this is an easy question and a lot of people may have suggestions... As you can tell I am new to C on the ST so I am sort of lost at the moment. Thanks in advance, Ben Gilbert (tymbrimi@u.washington.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 92 02:39:46 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.p itt.edu!pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Thomas Darling) Subject: Spectre users unite! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu wmagro@firenze.physics.uiuc.edu (William Magro) writes: > Are there enough spectre users out there to get a new newsgroup going? > I don't remember the rules for starting a new newsgroup. Anyone want > to refresh me? We could have comp.sys.atari.st.spectre and we could > share problems, experiences, successes, etc. there. Good idea, Bill, but perhaps a better one would be the more general comp.sys.atari.st.emulation, encompassing both Mac and MS-DOS support. ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~\\\~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% darling@cellar.org \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/654-9184 * FACT v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%\\\%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v%v% ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 17:58:52 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.i ns.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!as666@arizona.edu (Jonathan Roy) Subject: ST and SupraFAXModem To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Is there any FAX software (Joppa FAX?) for the ST that will support the send/receive of the new SupraFAXModem? -- ||| Jonathan Roy (The Ninja) Internet: as666@cleveland.freenet.edu ||| -- BBS: Darkest Realm - (Down for now) - Public UUCP/Usenet -- / | \ "...make him want to change his name,take him to the cleaners, devastate him, wipe him out, humiliate him." -CHESS GEnie: J.ROY18 ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 15:50:20 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!think. com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!l smichae@arizona.edu (Lars Michael) Subject: ST sound hardware To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi folks, I need information or specs or applications of the following sound hardware tools: MV16 Prosound Designer ST Replay If anyone can help me, please email me. Thanx, --- Larry +--------------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | lsmichae@faui43.uni-erlangen.de | IRC: Pit (Mr. GIF) | | Lars "Larry" Michael +-----------------------------+ | Graduate Student of Computer Science | When I grow up I wanna have | | at University of Erlangen/Germany | a really *BIG* signature. | +--------------------------------------+-----------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 03:10:11 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac .nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: Supra Interface PROBLEM To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan25.223615.22106@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ba014@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew C. Brinkhoff) writes: > > I've got a Supra ST DMA->SCSI Interface that's about a year old (It's > got the clock on it) and I'm having some troubles. > > I've got two ST-125N 20Meg SCSI Drives I'd like to hook up to it. I can > get them to work by themselves, but they won't work cabled together on > the interface. The SUPRAFMT.PRG recognises and partitions both drives, > but GEM/TOS tells me that drive "E" doesn't exist (the first partition > on the 2nd ST-125N.) Both drives are terminated, otherwise I get > erratic results from both drives. The Supra documentation discusses > drives that may supply termination power from the SCSI bus on Pin 26 of > the cable - and suggests clipping that pin between the two drives. > However, it also says that the drives would likely not spin at all if > that were the case. > > Any hints, clues, etc. before I resort to Supra tech support? Last time > I called them it took forever to get thru only to find out that the guy > on the other end couldn't answer my question... > > > -- > o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o > | Orwell was an optimist! | ba014@cleveland.freenet.edu | E Pluribus Unix | > o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o > You only terminate the last drive in the chain, if not the Supra host adapter can't drive all that load.. What addresses have you set your drives for..?? On another note can you tell me the part No. of your clock chip in the Supra host adapter, this is the big ic.. 24 pins.. I ended up changing the clock IC, to a Dalas one, I also rang Supra but did not get mach help at all.. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 02:40:25 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu !unmvax!nmt.edu!jking@arizona.edu ('Admiral JC') Subject: Supra Interface PROBLEM To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan25.223615.22106@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ba014@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew C. Brinkhoff) writes: > >I've got a Supra ST DMA->SCSI Interface that's about a year old (It's >got the clock on it) and I'm having some troubles. > >I've got two ST-125N 20Meg SCSI Drives I'd like to hook up to it. I can >get them to work by themselves, but they won't work cabled together on >the interface. The SUPRAFMT.PRG recognises and partitions both drives, >but GEM/TOS tells me that drive "E" doesn't exist (the first partition >on the 2nd ST-125N.) Both drives are terminated, otherwise I get >erratic results from both drives. The Supra documentation discusses >drives that may supply termination power from the SCSI bus on Pin 26 of >the cable - and suggests clipping that pin between the two drives. >However, it also says that the drives would likely not spin at all if >that were the case. > >Any hints, clues, etc. before I resort to Supra tech support? Last time >I called them it took forever to get thru only to find out that the guy >on the other end couldn't answer my question... > > A couple quickies.... one, I think only the last drive is supposed to be terminated... two, what interleave are you using? I just put together a ST296N with a supra interface and had to use 2:1 to get things to work properly... (suprised the heck out ofme, since I expected a 1:1 to work...) _ /\/\/\/\> ... Slither... ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 18:24:15 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!use net.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ba014@arizona.edu (Matthew C. Brinkhoff) Subject: Supra Interface PROBLEM To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In a previous article, Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard) says: >> I've got a Supra ST DMA->SCSI Interface that's about a year old (It's >> got the clock on it) and I'm having some troubles. >> >You only terminate the last drive in the chain, if not the Supra host adapter >can't drive all that load.. > >What addresses have you set your drives for..?? > >On another note can you tell me the part No. of your clock chip in >the Supra host adapter, this is the big ic.. 24 pins.. If I only terminate the last drive in the chain, it's the only one that works. The supra documentation reccomends terminating the drive closest to the interface. If I terminate the drive closest to the interface, erratic performance results (ie, now it's here-now it's not drives.) The drives are set for SCSI 0, LUN 0 & SCSI 1, LUN 0. The part # on the clock chip is: DS1287 (and yes, I know what the big Dallas chip is :) I'm not hardware-illiterate (sp), that's why this puzzles me so much... -- o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o | Orwell was an optimist! | ba014@cleveland.freenet.edu | E Pluribus Unix | o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 92 11:11:06 SST From: AKISUJAR%NUSVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: THE LATEST MEGA STE NAS SPECTRE To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello from Singapore, I just bought a 2MB MegaSTE with 48MB harddisk last Thursday. I cames with 1.44MB disk drive now. However there is some slight problem in reading HD disk. It frequently ask to RETRY. I have more success formatting HD disk with FCOPY- PRO than with Format option on the Desktop. Segate 48MB internal hard disk has rattering sound now and then (to prevent R/W head sticking perhaps?). With 2MB RAM I cannot get Spectre GCR to work and have to run Spectre with Spectre 128 cartridge. However, after adding 2 more SIMMs into the empty SIMMS slot to make it 4MB everything work. With 2MB RAM Spectre will give wrong RAM size and hang. Although the computer has 1.44MB drive I can only R/W 1.44MB in TOS and MS-DOS mode. The current Spectre 3.0 still not support HD drive. Both SuperCharger and Spectre can access and boot from the MegaSTE internal hard disk. The mono- chrome monitor has slight flickering.The keyboard has as good feel and as lousy key caps (printed on marking which does not look very lasting) as Mac classic and Mac LC keyboards as they all made in Malaysia perhaps from the same OEM factory. The mouse buttons have better feel than the Mega4 mouse. Now the problems: Aladin,German Mac emulator, from versions 2.01 to the last Version 3.0 do not work on Mega STE. I can only run the older version 1.3e. (could anyone tell me if the Aladin 3.0 works with the TT please?) Suthipuntha. 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Roloson) writes: > >I bought one a while ago and I could see all the files and display them as text >on the screen but copying them or trying to use them in Cyber Studio resulted >in disk errors. Try ICD's cleanup or a floppy recovery program.... I've salvaged a couple "bad disks" that way. (First you have to find another copy...) jc ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************